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The Aim
I just bought a Hisense 65U80G 65″ Inch 8K ULED Android TV (2021 model) for $1,568 including delivery. I got that deal by googling refurbished 8K TVs and finding the cheapest one I could buy. Amazon and eBay didn’t have any good prices on second hand 8K TVs and new ones start at $3,000 on special. I didn’t assess how Hisense compares to other TVs, as far as I could determine there was only one model of 8K TV on sale in Australia in the price range I was prepared to pay. So I won’t review how this TV compares to other models but how refurbished TVs compare to other display options.
I bought this because the highest resolution monitor in my price range is 5120*2160 [1]. While I could get a 5128*2880 monitor for around $1,500 paying 3* the money for 33% more pixels is bad value for money. Getting 4* the pixels for under 3* the price is good value even when it’s a TV with the lower display quality that involves.
Before buying this TV I read this blog post by Daniel Lawrence about using an 8K TV as a primary monitor [2]. While he has an interesting setup with a 65″ TV on a large desk it’s not what I plan to do at this time.
My Plans for Use
I don’t plan to make it a main monitor. While 5120*2160 isn’t as good as I like on my desk it’s bearable and the quality of the display is high. High resolution isn’t needed for all tasks, for example I’m writing this blog post on my laptop while watching a movie on the 8K TV.
One thing I’d like to do with the 8K TV when I get it working as a monitor is to share the screen for team programming projects. I don’t have any specific plans other than team coding projects at the moment. But it will be interesting to experiment with it when I get it working.
Technical Issues with High Resolution Monitors
Hardware Needed
A lot of the graphic hardware out there don’t support resolutions higher than 5120*2880. It seems that most laptops don’t support resolutions higher than that and higher resolutions than 4K are difficult. Only quite recent and high end video cards will do 8K. Apparently the RTX 2080 is one of the oldest ones that does and that’s $400 on ebay. Strangely the GPU chipset spec pages don’t list the maximum resolution and there’s the additional complication that the other chips might not support the resolutions that the GPU itself can support.
As an aside I don’t use NVidia cards for regular workstations due to reliability problems. But they are good for ML work and for special purpose systems.
Interface Versions
To do 8K video it seems that you need HDMI 2.1 (or maybe 2.0 with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling) or DisplayPort 1.3 for 30Hz with 24bit color and 2.0 for higher refresh rates. But using a particular version of the interface doesn’t require supporting all the resolutions that it might support. This TV has HDMI 2.1 inputs, I’ve bought an adaptor cable that does DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 at 8K resolution. So I need a video card that does DisplayPort 1.4 or HDMI 2.1 output. That doesn’t mean that the card will work, but it could work.
It’s a pity that no-one has made a USB-C video controller that has a basic frame-buffer supporting 8K and the minimal GPU capabilities. The consensus of opinion is that no games will run well at 8K at this time so anyone using 8K resolution doesn’t need GPU power unless it’s for ML stuff.
I’m thinking of making a system that can be used as a ML server and X/Wayland server so a GPU with a decent amount of RAM and compute power would be good. I’m not particularly interested in spending $1,500+ to get a GPU that can drive a $1,568 TV. I’m looking into getting a RTX A2000 with 12G of RAM which should be adequate for ML experiments and can handle 8K@60Hz output.
I’ve ordered a DisplayPort to HDMI converter cable so if I get a DisplayPort card it will work.
Software Support
When I first got started with 4K monitors I had significant problems in adjusting the UI to be usable. The support for scaling software is much better now than it was then and 8K 65″ has a lower DPI than 4K 32″. So I hope this won’t be an issue.
Progress So Far
My first Hisense 8K TV stopped working properly. It would change to a mostly white screen after being used for some time. The screen would change in ways that correlate to changes in what should appear, but not in a way that was usable. It was just a different pattern of white blobs when I changed to a menu view not anything that allowed using it. I presume that this was the problem that drove a need for refurbishment as when I first got the TV it was still signed in to Google accounts for YouTube and to NetFlix.
Best Buy Electrical was good about providing a quick replacement, they took away the old TV and delivered a new one on the same visit and it’s now working well.
I’ve obtained a NVidia card that can allegedly do 8K output and a combination of cables that might be able to carry an 8K signal. Now I just need to get the NVidia drivers to not cause a kernel panic to get things to work.
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