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		<title>By: Barnabyh</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/02/14/which-people-stupid-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-23777</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnabyh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting involved in more and more aspects of people&#039;s private lives and trying to steer the way they live, thereby also raising expectations and dependency, is certainly a hallmark of authoritarian governments. Our so-called economic and political elite have managed to rig the system even more to their advantage over the last few decades. In the case of politicians they will always point to the fact that they were elected, therefore legitimately making decisions for us. Only that in power Realpolitik is developing its own dynamic. Our current system has nothing in common with democracy as practised in ancient Greece but the name. Whatever you call it, it is certainly not a free society.

Re. the 2nd paragraph, I was responding to &quot;There are lots of ways that the diet of pregnant women and young children will affect the average IQ of the population. I think it’s reasonable to look at the historical record and consider that the average height of a population will be correlated to average IQ – this is not to say that taller people are inherently more intelligent but that a population which has a poor enough diet overall that they don’t grow tall will also be intellectually stunted on average.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting involved in more and more aspects of people&#8217;s private lives and trying to steer the way they live, thereby also raising expectations and dependency, is certainly a hallmark of authoritarian governments. Our so-called economic and political elite have managed to rig the system even more to their advantage over the last few decades. In the case of politicians they will always point to the fact that they were elected, therefore legitimately making decisions for us. Only that in power Realpolitik is developing its own dynamic. Our current system has nothing in common with democracy as practised in ancient Greece but the name. Whatever you call it, it is certainly not a free society.</p>
<p>Re. the 2nd paragraph, I was responding to &#8220;There are lots of ways that the diet of pregnant women and young children will affect the average IQ of the population. I think it’s reasonable to look at the historical record and consider that the average height of a population will be correlated to average IQ – this is not to say that taller people are inherently more intelligent but that a population which has a poor enough diet overall that they don’t grow tall will also be intellectually stunted on average.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: steffen</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/02/14/which-people-stupid-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-23757</link>
		<dc:creator>steffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Not quite sure where you see the meaning of socialism perverted

You wrote that you see elements of &quot;overbearing socialism&quot;. I assumed you were referring to the increasing overprotective attitude of western governments, since there certainly was no observable increase in *social* security in western capitalist countries for the last several years. But while it is correct to associate &quot;overprotective government&quot; with &quot;old eastern bloc&quot;, it has, by design, little to do with socialist concepts. The fact that this behavior now occurs in highly capitalist societies is just further proof of that. This association is propaganda from cold war times that happens to be useful today to make capitalist societies even more extreme(look at health care discussion in US)

&gt; By the way, apparently the trend is for human beings to be smaller and ‘wider’ in the future due to not so advantageous changes in nutrition.
&gt; What does that say about the IQ?

Not much. Most advertisement is highly targeted manipulation of values, designed by highly paid psychologists or PR people. Most of the food you can buy is heavily processed, i.e. &quot;easy to eat&quot; with lots of hidden fat, sugar and salt. Basically, you have a billion dollar food indutry spending millions on consumer manipulation to sell even more food, preferably food that is cheap to produce. The general public is bound to lose against such a system. (However, if you live in, say, Norway, this industry and the resulting advertisement is not very strong yet)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Not quite sure where you see the meaning of socialism perverted</p>
<p>You wrote that you see elements of &#8220;overbearing socialism&#8221;. I assumed you were referring to the increasing overprotective attitude of western governments, since there certainly was no observable increase in *social* security in western capitalist countries for the last several years. But while it is correct to associate &#8220;overprotective government&#8221; with &#8220;old eastern bloc&#8221;, it has, by design, little to do with socialist concepts. The fact that this behavior now occurs in highly capitalist societies is just further proof of that. This association is propaganda from cold war times that happens to be useful today to make capitalist societies even more extreme(look at health care discussion in US)</p>
<p>&gt; By the way, apparently the trend is for human beings to be smaller and ‘wider’ in the future due to not so advantageous changes in nutrition.<br />
&gt; What does that say about the IQ?</p>
<p>Not much. Most advertisement is highly targeted manipulation of values, designed by highly paid psychologists or PR people. Most of the food you can buy is heavily processed, i.e. &#8220;easy to eat&#8221; with lots of hidden fat, sugar and salt. Basically, you have a billion dollar food indutry spending millions on consumer manipulation to sell even more food, preferably food that is cheap to produce. The general public is bound to lose against such a system. (However, if you live in, say, Norway, this industry and the resulting advertisement is not very strong yet)</p>
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		<title>By: Barnabyh</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/02/14/which-people-stupid-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-23746</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnabyh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry etbe, don&#039;t have a blog. It might make for some interesting exchanges but in general I&#039;m too busy with work and life, and at the inflationary rate of blogs out there, most with not much to say if you can actually spare the time and read, I never felt the need to add another.
The whole web 2.0 never caught on with me either, there have been weeks when my only net use was ftp and rsync. (Giving too much away here- beware the data miners :) .) Take care now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry etbe, don&#8217;t have a blog. It might make for some interesting exchanges but in general I&#8217;m too busy with work and life, and at the inflationary rate of blogs out there, most with not much to say if you can actually spare the time and read, I never felt the need to add another.<br />
The whole web 2.0 never caught on with me either, there have been weeks when my only net use was ftp and rsync. (Giving too much away here- beware the data miners :) .) Take care now.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnabyh</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/02/14/which-people-stupid-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-23743</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnabyh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steffen, I refuse to be drawn into a capitalism vs socialism debate, that was never the issue here. There was no valuation attached to my statements and if anything I am critical of both. Extremes are always unhealthy.
Not quite sure where you see the meaning of socialism perverted just because I would rather have people who can and do think for themselves.

Oh, oppressive societies of all kinds don&#039;t like people like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steffen, I refuse to be drawn into a capitalism vs socialism debate, that was never the issue here. There was no valuation attached to my statements and if anything I am critical of both. Extremes are always unhealthy.<br />
Not quite sure where you see the meaning of socialism perverted just because I would rather have people who can and do think for themselves.</p>
<p>Oh, oppressive societies of all kinds don&#8217;t like people like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnabyh</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/02/14/which-people-stupid-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-23741</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnabyh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I thought I had more or less agreed with your opinion that a lot of people just can&#039;t be arsed to look or think for themselves instead of acting like brain dead zombies and acting upset if something changed.
I can&#039;t see that you have actually addressed that. I&#039;m sorry but you look a bit like a smart arse trying to make a scientific paper out of a simple reply to your article. It was never about material provision of anything but about being responsible for your own choices.
There is also a lot more that people vote for apart from money into their pockets, for example promises of being tough on crime, cracking down on ... you name it. I suppose you really have too have lived here for a few years to know what I mean re. H&amp;S gone mad for example. Or social housing of which I&#039;m not sure you have that in your country, and does not exist in this form in Germany either.

You obviously did not get my exaggeration (often used in political satire) in relation to drinking to highlight an important point. It is just an example and is valid for many areas of life. To stay with this perhaps not so good example as you did not understand what I&#039;m saying, of course people have always liked to drink, but if they woke up puking in the morning they accepted it&#039;s their own fault and that&#039;s just how it is when you drink too much. These days the government or &#039;somebody&#039; should have warned them. If people are too much in debt on five credit cards they will never be able to pay back it&#039;s not their fault for being stupid or greedy and borrowing too much, it&#039;s the governments or the banks fault- partly true (aiding and abetting) but still, nobody forced them to take out that loan or mortgage they could never afford.

By the way, apparently the trend is for human beings to be smaller and &#039;wider&#039; in the future due to not so advantageous changes in nutrition. What does that say about the IQ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I thought I had more or less agreed with your opinion that a lot of people just can&#8217;t be arsed to look or think for themselves instead of acting like brain dead zombies and acting upset if something changed.<br />
I can&#8217;t see that you have actually addressed that. I&#8217;m sorry but you look a bit like a smart arse trying to make a scientific paper out of a simple reply to your article. It was never about material provision of anything but about being responsible for your own choices.<br />
There is also a lot more that people vote for apart from money into their pockets, for example promises of being tough on crime, cracking down on &#8230; you name it. I suppose you really have too have lived here for a few years to know what I mean re. H&amp;S gone mad for example. Or social housing of which I&#8217;m not sure you have that in your country, and does not exist in this form in Germany either.</p>
<p>You obviously did not get my exaggeration (often used in political satire) in relation to drinking to highlight an important point. It is just an example and is valid for many areas of life. To stay with this perhaps not so good example as you did not understand what I&#8217;m saying, of course people have always liked to drink, but if they woke up puking in the morning they accepted it&#8217;s their own fault and that&#8217;s just how it is when you drink too much. These days the government or &#8216;somebody&#8217; should have warned them. If people are too much in debt on five credit cards they will never be able to pay back it&#8217;s not their fault for being stupid or greedy and borrowing too much, it&#8217;s the governments or the banks fault- partly true (aiding and abetting) but still, nobody forced them to take out that loan or mortgage they could never afford.</p>
<p>By the way, apparently the trend is for human beings to be smaller and &#8216;wider&#8217; in the future due to not so advantageous changes in nutrition. What does that say about the IQ?</p>
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		<title>By: steffen</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/02/14/which-people-stupid-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-23724</link>
		<dc:creator>steffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from Germany, where socialism is still one of the core values (that the capitalists work hard to eradicate), I am amazed again and again how the meaning of this word was perverted in the western world. 

One would think the cold war is long since over, but even today people often associate socialism with dictatorship and capitalism with freedom.

When it comes down to the actual meaning, capitalism basically gives the additional freedom to die on the street due to hunger or cold, while socialism will restricts the extent to which you can exploit others. These aspects are exactly what distinguishes the &quot;free market&quot; in US (or China) from the &quot;social market&quot; in several European countries. And to me, this difference implicitly follows when you believe into such basic things as human rights.

That being said, there&#039;s definitely something odd about those facebook folks. With that level of idiocy and ignorance, they&#039;ll make great politicians one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from Germany, where socialism is still one of the core values (that the capitalists work hard to eradicate), I am amazed again and again how the meaning of this word was perverted in the western world. </p>
<p>One would think the cold war is long since over, but even today people often associate socialism with dictatorship and capitalism with freedom.</p>
<p>When it comes down to the actual meaning, capitalism basically gives the additional freedom to die on the street due to hunger or cold, while socialism will restricts the extent to which you can exploit others. These aspects are exactly what distinguishes the &#8220;free market&#8221; in US (or China) from the &#8220;social market&#8221; in several European countries. And to me, this difference implicitly follows when you believe into such basic things as human rights.</p>
<p>That being said, there&#8217;s definitely something odd about those facebook folks. With that level of idiocy and ignorance, they&#8217;ll make great politicians one day.</p>
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