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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/01/24/preventing-children-accessing-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-23756</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Bessy-Keeps-You-Safe.aspx

The Daily WTF has an amusing and interesting article about a porn filter preventing students from studying biology - but they work around it...</description>
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<p>The Daily WTF has an amusing and interesting article about a porn filter preventing students from studying biology &#8211; but they work around it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stig: Also we might want to consider mitigation.  When (not if) children search for porn it would probably be best if they find sites like playboy.com and playgirl.com which are very tame.  I just did a Google images search for &quot;girl&quot; with safesearch turned off, one of the entries on the first page apparently concerned a fetish that would be considered unusual by most people.

nick: While I generally with you, I don&#039;t think we should push the &quot;context&quot; angle.  South Park had an amusing satire of this - after one of the boys watched a hard-core porn his father had a conversation concerning &quot;when two men and three women love each other very much&quot; (or something similar).

http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/07/30/porn-vs-rape/

There is also the fact that an increased incidence of porn use is correlated with a decreased incidence of rape.

http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html

steffen: Steven Pinker gave an informative TED talk about the decline of violence during all recorded history.  I am not aware of any evidence of a change in that trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stig: Also we might want to consider mitigation.  When (not if) children search for porn it would probably be best if they find sites like playboy.com and playgirl.com which are very tame.  I just did a Google images search for &#8220;girl&#8221; with safesearch turned off, one of the entries on the first page apparently concerned a fetish that would be considered unusual by most people.</p>
<p>nick: While I generally with you, I don&#8217;t think we should push the &#8220;context&#8221; angle.  South Park had an amusing satire of this &#8211; after one of the boys watched a hard-core porn his father had a conversation concerning &#8220;when two men and three women love each other very much&#8221; (or something similar).</p>
<p><a href="http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/07/30/porn-vs-rape/" rel="nofollow">http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/07/30/porn-vs-rape/</a></p>
<p>There is also the fact that an increased incidence of porn use is correlated with a decreased incidence of rape.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html</a></p>
<p>steffen: Steven Pinker gave an informative TED talk about the decline of violence during all recorded history.  I am not aware of any evidence of a change in that trend.</p>
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		<title>By: steffen</title>
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		<dc:creator>steffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Is there any sign for my generation of being more pervert than any other? No, sorry don’t have any hints pointing to this conclusion.

Seriously? How do you intend to find something abnormal about the things your generation regards as normal? Did you ever ask somebody considerably older about this?
Recently there was a very good documentary &#039;Generation Porno&#039; in German TV. Go watch it.


Of course this is not limited to porn. Look at the &#039;violence&#039; in older movies. Look at how Haiti is covered in mass media. This is all a side-effect of the media fighting about peoples attention. To sell stuff. And their science does not only apply to children. Even if parents had all the time in the world to tell their children about proper behavior, even if filters would work perfectly fine, this constant influence of mass media and other &#039;services&#039; are still going to transform society as a whole in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Is there any sign for my generation of being more pervert than any other? No, sorry don’t have any hints pointing to this conclusion.</p>
<p>Seriously? How do you intend to find something abnormal about the things your generation regards as normal? Did you ever ask somebody considerably older about this?<br />
Recently there was a very good documentary &#8216;Generation Porno&#8217; in German TV. Go watch it.</p>
<p>Of course this is not limited to porn. Look at the &#8216;violence&#8217; in older movies. Look at how Haiti is covered in mass media. This is all a side-effect of the media fighting about peoples attention. To sell stuff. And their science does not only apply to children. Even if parents had all the time in the world to tell their children about proper behavior, even if filters would work perfectly fine, this constant influence of mass media and other &#8216;services&#8217; are still going to transform society as a whole in the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full Ack,
children watching porn or whatever is not the problem! 
The problem is their parents not putting things into a sensible context.
I&#039;m 21 and a computer science student and I can definitely guarantee you that there is near to no male person in my age group here in Germany who hasn&#039;t watched porn, most of them with high certainty below the age of 16. 
Is there any sign for my generation of being more pervert than any other? No, sorry don&#039;t have any hints pointing to this conclusion.
The more open parents will handle the issue and make clear to the child that there is one basic rule. And that is that whatever you do, you must not harm anybody. be that by insulting or making them do what they don&#039;t want to do.
If that rule is obeyed I don&#039;t see how any of that &quot;pervert&quot; stuff can have any bad influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full Ack,<br />
children watching porn or whatever is not the problem!<br />
The problem is their parents not putting things into a sensible context.<br />
I&#8217;m 21 and a computer science student and I can definitely guarantee you that there is near to no male person in my age group here in Germany who hasn&#8217;t watched porn, most of them with high certainty below the age of 16.<br />
Is there any sign for my generation of being more pervert than any other? No, sorry don&#8217;t have any hints pointing to this conclusion.<br />
The more open parents will handle the issue and make clear to the child that there is one basic rule. And that is that whatever you do, you must not harm anybody. be that by insulting or making them do what they don&#8217;t want to do.<br />
If that rule is obeyed I don&#8217;t see how any of that &#8220;pervert&#8221; stuff can have any bad influence.</p>
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		<title>By: sin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Censorship has no excuse. Too bad that no on seems to learn from history that trying to censors things does not work. It did not work in communist states to the extent that the &quot;Party&quot; would have wanted, it&#039;s mind blowing to think that it might work in a democratic environment where people, by constitution, have the right to unhindered information.

I looked at porn when I was about 12 years old. Did not undesrtood it at first, it was just something new you could see on a VCR. Did that turned me into a bad person or did it affect me ? No. I turned out alright, or so I say :)) I think that it depends on the parents how kids are raised and by the moral values they inspire, not by what kids are not supposed to see on the internet until they&#039;re 18 or some other number pulled out the arse by some government when they think we should be allowed to do more stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Censorship has no excuse. Too bad that no on seems to learn from history that trying to censors things does not work. It did not work in communist states to the extent that the &#8220;Party&#8221; would have wanted, it&#8217;s mind blowing to think that it might work in a democratic environment where people, by constitution, have the right to unhindered information.</p>
<p>I looked at porn when I was about 12 years old. Did not undesrtood it at first, it was just something new you could see on a VCR. Did that turned me into a bad person or did it affect me ? No. I turned out alright, or so I say :)) I think that it depends on the parents how kids are raised and by the moral values they inspire, not by what kids are not supposed to see on the internet until they&#8217;re 18 or some other number pulled out the arse by some government when they think we should be allowed to do more stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Stig Sandbeck Mathisen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stig Sandbeck Mathisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creating a filter should have the goal of making it hard to stumble over the material by accident.  That&#039;s where resources are best spent.

Trying to prevent children (or adults) from accessing certain types of material, is very much like security work.

To prevent a dedicated person from obtaining what they want, you need to be lucky every time, while they need to be lucky only once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creating a filter should have the goal of making it hard to stumble over the material by accident.  That&#8217;s where resources are best spent.</p>
<p>Trying to prevent children (or adults) from accessing certain types of material, is very much like security work.</p>
<p>To prevent a dedicated person from obtaining what they want, you need to be lucky every time, while they need to be lucky only once.</p>
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