Comments on: Hating Microsoft http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/07/14/hating-microsoft/ Linux, politics, and other interesting things Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:45:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: etbe http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/07/14/hating-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-20070 etbe Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:58:57 +0000 http://etbe.coker.com.au/?p=1244#comment-20070 AlphaG: I respect your position, but I think that you are being overly pedantic about the use of language. Languages change and we have to deal with new usages, for example it used to be that it was acceptable to use certain words to denigrate people of other races while blasphemy was considered to be really bad - now the "N word" is considered to be entirely unacceptable in almost every context while most blasphemy is widely accepted. Choosing to not associate with people because they say "I hate broccoli" or "I hate Microsoft" seems like a great overreaction. If however they were to say "I hate broccoli eaters" or "I hate Windows users" then you would have a point. AlphaG: I respect your position, but I think that you are being overly pedantic about the use of language. Languages change and we have to deal with new usages, for example it used to be that it was acceptable to use certain words to denigrate people of other races while blasphemy was considered to be really bad – now the “N word” is considered to be entirely unacceptable in almost every context while most blasphemy is widely accepted.

Choosing to not associate with people because they say “I hate broccoli” or “I hate Microsoft” seems like a great overreaction. If however they were to say “I hate broccoli eaters” or “I hate Windows users” then you would have a point.

]]> By: AlphaG http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/07/14/hating-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-20068 AlphaG Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:22:53 +0000 http://etbe.coker.com.au/?p=1244#comment-20068 Having a mother born in Germany 1933 the daughter of a Jew certainly helped me to understand what it feels like to receive hatred and what that meant for her, hence the way I was taught and brought up and how I raise my kids. Of course to each their own and I don't judge people for what they believe but I might not associate myself with them. Having a mother born in Germany 1933 the daughter of a Jew certainly helped me to understand what it feels like to receive hatred and what that meant for her, hence the way I was taught and brought up and how I raise my kids. Of course to each their own and I don’t judge people for what they believe but I might not associate myself with them.

]]> By: etbe http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/07/14/hating-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-20056 etbe Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:12:44 +0000 http://etbe.coker.com.au/?p=1244#comment-20056 AlphaG: That's a literal meaning of the word and closely matches my dictionary. But we have to accept the fact that lots of people tell us that they "hate broccoli". AlphaG: That’s a literal meaning of the word and closely matches my dictionary. But we have to accept the fact that lots of people tell us that they “hate broccoli”.

]]> By: AlphaG http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/07/14/hating-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-20055 AlphaG Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:47:19 +0000 http://etbe.coker.com.au/?p=1244#comment-20055 interestingly I was brought up with the word "hate" was the equivalent of the worst swearing you could speak, it was always conveyed to me hate was a concept where you would be willing to take a life to stop it, being such a strong feeling. I am not sure all the discussion about M$, sandle wearing ponytails etc really does drive a love and hate relationship but people are all very prescious about this stuff. Get over it, the world is full of many choices and there is always something much worse than what you need to cope with interestingly I was brought up with the word “hate” was the equivalent of the worst swearing you could speak, it was always conveyed to me hate was a concept where you would be willing to take a life to stop it, being such a strong feeling.

I am not sure all the discussion about M$, sandle wearing ponytails etc really does drive a love and hate relationship but people are all very prescious about this stuff. Get over it, the world is full of many choices and there is always something much worse than what you need to cope with

]]> By: etbe http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/07/14/hating-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-20049 etbe Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:25:16 +0000 http://etbe.coker.com.au/?p=1244#comment-20049 Stevo: In a work environment the workers don't get a choice of OS. The majority of managers choose MS software and force their technical employees to try and clean up the mess, this results in a lot of frustration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Foundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd RMS started free software development at about the same time that MS was founded (mid 70's). The Free Software Foundation was founded in 1985 - the same year as MS-Windows 1.01 was released. The first version of MS-Windows to become popular was 3.0 which was released in 1990. The first server version of Windows was NT 3.1 (AKA Windows 1.0) which was released in 1993 - about a year after Linux was working well as a fully functional multi-user server OS. BSD Unix was first released in 1977. Much of the code that we use on Linux originated in BSD Unix. Really we have nothing to thank Bill for. Stevo: In a work environment the workers don’t get a choice of OS. The majority of managers choose MS software and force their technical employees to try and clean up the mess, this results in a lot of frustration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd

RMS started free software development at about the same time that MS was founded (mid 70′s). The Free Software Foundation was founded in 1985 – the same year as MS-Windows 1.01 was released. The first version of MS-Windows to become popular was 3.0 which was released in 1990. The first server version of Windows was NT 3.1 (AKA Windows 1.0) which was released in 1993 – about a year after Linux was working well as a fully functional multi-user server OS.

BSD Unix was first released in 1977. Much of the code that we use on Linux originated in BSD Unix.

Really we have nothing to thank Bill for.

]]> By: Stevo http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/07/14/hating-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-20048 Stevo Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:51:06 +0000 http://etbe.coker.com.au/?p=1244#comment-20048 cuzzies, OS is a choice, you don't like M$ dont choose it, likewise OSX, MAC or GNU/Linux etc. Strewth, if you cant sas one from another wtf you doing looking for an OS firstly. GNU/Linux exists as a choice only, not a frikken revolution, if it happens it's through user choices. Points I like in GNU, though I use m$ for certain purposes as secondary OS, GNU/Linux doesn't FORCE Norton down your throat when you install, it doesn't FORCE IE8,9.10, MSN Lve, Windows Mail, Windows Defender Outlook Express whatever. Gnu you can just install what you want, not tricked into contracts for software that cant be removed. But hey GNU/Linux was only created due to Microsoft monolpoly firstly so 'we can actuallay thank Bill' for the sucess of GNU! cuzzies, OS is a choice, you don’t like M$ dont choose it, likewise OSX, MAC or GNU/Linux etc. Strewth, if you cant sas one from another wtf you doing looking for an OS firstly. GNU/Linux exists as a choice only, not a frikken revolution, if it happens it’s through user choices. Points I like in GNU, though I use m$ for certain purposes as secondary OS, GNU/Linux doesn’t FORCE Norton down your throat when you install, it doesn’t FORCE IE8,9.10, MSN Lve, Windows Mail, Windows Defender Outlook Express whatever. Gnu you can just install what you want, not tricked into contracts for software that cant be removed. But hey GNU/Linux was only created due to Microsoft monolpoly firstly so ‘we can actuallay thank Bill’ for the sucess of GNU!

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