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	<title>Comments on: Killing Servers with Virtualisation and Swap</title>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/27/killing-servers-virtualisation-and-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-15704</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16308

There is a short discussion of this post at the above URL.  There is an interesting comment from sweh &quot;The swap issue is well known on linodes. The UML IO tokens system helps mitigate this to some extent ( a UML linode swapping intensively will run out of I/O tokens and so no longer chew up host I/O bandwidth, freeing the other linodes on the same host to continue on as normal)&quot;.  That is really interesting, I&#039;ll have to investigate what UML offers in this regard next time I work on such things.

The Linode discussion concludes with SteveG saying &quot;For those that don&#039;t recognize the name, Russell Coker is a long-time Debian maintainer and all-round smart guy&quot;.  Thanks SteveG!</description>
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<p>There is a short discussion of this post at the above URL.  There is an interesting comment from sweh &#8220;The swap issue is well known on linodes. The UML IO tokens system helps mitigate this to some extent ( a UML linode swapping intensively will run out of I/O tokens and so no longer chew up host I/O bandwidth, freeing the other linodes on the same host to continue on as normal)&#8221;.  That is really interesting, I&#8217;ll have to investigate what UML offers in this regard next time I work on such things.</p>
<p>The Linode discussion concludes with SteveG saying &#8220;For those that don&#8217;t recognize the name, Russell Coker is a long-time Debian maintainer and all-round smart guy&#8221;.  Thanks SteveG!</p>
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		<title>By: Improving Blog Latency to Benefit Readers &#124; etbe - Russell Coker</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/27/killing-servers-virtualisation-and-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-15568</link>
		<dc:creator>Improving Blog Latency to Benefit Readers &#124; etbe - Russell Coker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wolf on Swapping to a Floppy DiskBerto on Swapping to a Floppy Disketbe on AppArmor is Deadetbe on Killing Servers with Virtualisation and SwapMorris on AppArmor is Deadneo on AppArmor is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/27/killing-servers-virtualisation-and-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-15553</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://blog.windfluechter.net/index.php?/archives/148-re-Killing-Servers-with-Virtualisation-and-Swap.html

Ingo comments on my post at the above URL.  He suggests using a separate partition of each disk that is used in the main RAID for swap.  While this will allow some partitioning of swap use (so swap of domain 1 won&#039;t necessarily affect domain 2), it doesn&#039;t stop a domain that swaps heavily from impacting the performance of filesystem access.</description>
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<p>Ingo comments on my post at the above URL.  He suggests using a separate partition of each disk that is used in the main RAID for swap.  While this will allow some partitioning of swap use (so swap of domain 1 won&#8217;t necessarily affect domain 2), it doesn&#8217;t stop a domain that swaps heavily from impacting the performance of filesystem access.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/27/killing-servers-virtualisation-and-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-15548</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you use swap at all?  Nowadays, if a system needs to swap, something has gone horribly wrong.

If someone *really* wants swap on their DomU, they could always create a swap file in their disk storage.  However, if the swap ever gets touched the system performance will almost certainly become unacceptably bad, so unless you have some huge single calculation that can&#039;t fit in RAM, why would you want swap?  Just scale up your system, either permanently or (if you use something like EC2 or Gandi Hosting) temporarily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you use swap at all?  Nowadays, if a system needs to swap, something has gone horribly wrong.</p>
<p>If someone *really* wants swap on their DomU, they could always create a swap file in their disk storage.  However, if the swap ever gets touched the system performance will almost certainly become unacceptably bad, so unless you have some huge single calculation that can&#8217;t fit in RAM, why would you want swap?  Just scale up your system, either permanently or (if you use something like EC2 or Gandi Hosting) temporarily.</p>
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		<title>By: v</title>
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		<dc:creator>v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blog of Ingo Jürgensmann</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/27/killing-servers-virtualisation-and-swap/comment-page-1/#comment-15541</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog of Ingo Jürgensmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with Virtualisation and Swap     Russel Coker blogs about a problem, which concerned me as well: Killing Servers with Virtualisation and Swap, i.e.: what happens when one domU is happily swapping the whole day?   Luckily this didn&#039;t happen [...]</description>
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