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	<title>Comments on: Compassion for Windows Users</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/11/compassion-windows-users/comment-page-1/#comment-15320</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thedarkknight: Oh grow up.  Windows has it&#039;s CLI and it&#039;s often just as necessary to use it as it is in Linux these days.  CLIs are a bit more howto friendly because you don&#039;t have to subjectively describe a user interface, and it ages better because commands change less often than UI widgets do.  Plus you don&#039;t have to assume someone is using a specific widget set then...

Even Windows users were knocking the inability to get to a command line in MacOS... and then Apple bought out NeXT and started using /that/ for their OS...

The command line isn&#039;t going away any time soon, on any platform.  Even Microsoft accepts that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thedarkknight: Oh grow up.  Windows has it&#8217;s CLI and it&#8217;s often just as necessary to use it as it is in Linux these days.  CLIs are a bit more howto friendly because you don&#8217;t have to subjectively describe a user interface, and it ages better because commands change less often than UI widgets do.  Plus you don&#8217;t have to assume someone is using a specific widget set then&#8230;</p>
<p>Even Windows users were knocking the inability to get to a command line in MacOS&#8230; and then Apple bought out NeXT and started using /that/ for their OS&#8230;</p>
<p>The command line isn&#8217;t going away any time soon, on any platform.  Even Microsoft accepts that.</p>
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		<title>By: mcinsand</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/11/compassion-windows-users/comment-page-1/#comment-15318</link>
		<dc:creator>mcinsand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>etbe, why did you softpeddle your windows fanboy bash?  a more accurate slam would be:

If I was going to bash Windows users then I would suggest that they all lack knowledge of how a modern operating system works. ;)

Seriously, what idiot would integrate the web browser, GUI, and OS together?  And, I don&#039;t know of a single Windows user (and I know a lot) that doesn&#039;t complain about constant crashes, constantly degrading performance, and lack of dependability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>etbe, why did you softpeddle your windows fanboy bash?  a more accurate slam would be:</p>
<p>If I was going to bash Windows users then I would suggest that they all lack knowledge of how a modern operating system works. ;)</p>
<p>Seriously, what idiot would integrate the web browser, GUI, and OS together?  And, I don&#8217;t know of a single Windows user (and I know a lot) that doesn&#8217;t complain about constant crashes, constantly degrading performance, and lack of dependability.</p>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/11/compassion-windows-users/comment-page-1/#comment-15315</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thedarkknight:  Thanks for the windows fanboy perspective.  For reference dropping to a CLI is not necessary for typical Linux desktop use, and sound and USB mass storage access doesn&#039;t require any special effort (it usually works with a default install).

If I was going to bash Windows users then I would suggest that they all lack knowledge of how a modern Linux system works.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thedarkknight:  Thanks for the windows fanboy perspective.  For reference dropping to a CLI is not necessary for typical Linux desktop use, and sound and USB mass storage access doesn&#8217;t require any special effort (it usually works with a default install).</p>
<p>If I was going to bash Windows users then I would suggest that they all lack knowledge of how a modern Linux system works.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: thedarkknight</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/11/compassion-windows-users/comment-page-1/#comment-15314</link>
		<dc:creator>thedarkknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>complete fanboy rubish. if someone uses windows and gets work done, which I witness everyday then why bash them? grow up, and as linux matures as a desktop platform it will get looked at, but as long as dropping to a CLI is a neccesity, and jumping through hoops to get sound and your ipod working it will remain a niche O/S at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>complete fanboy rubish. if someone uses windows and gets work done, which I witness everyday then why bash them? grow up, and as linux matures as a desktop platform it will get looked at, but as long as dropping to a CLI is a neccesity, and jumping through hoops to get sound and your ipod working it will remain a niche O/S at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell about compassion for Windows Users at wolfgang.lonien.de</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/11/compassion-windows-users/comment-page-1/#comment-15299</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell about compassion for Windows Users at wolfgang.lonien.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] developer Russell Coker has an interesting blog about compassion for Windows users. One of his friends asked him whether he feels that or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/08/11/compassion-windows-users/comment-page-1/#comment-15285</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>etbe: You&#039;d really be pleasantly surprised, then.  Just as a test, I removed all my wine prefixes and started from scratch with 1.1.  I didn&#039;t have to do anything fancy to get everything working.  So far, the only bugs I&#039;ve come across is a minor visual glitch in TF2 and voice input doesn&#039;t want to work with my Plantronics USB headset in Steam.

Even programs like Auran Trainz that used to be a real bitch to get working in Wine are just as easy to get working as Windows (possibly easier if you have two games that normally conflict, since you can just install both in their own wineprefix and they&#039;ll never even know the other exists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>etbe: You&#8217;d really be pleasantly surprised, then.  Just as a test, I removed all my wine prefixes and started from scratch with 1.1.  I didn&#8217;t have to do anything fancy to get everything working.  So far, the only bugs I&#8217;ve come across is a minor visual glitch in TF2 and voice input doesn&#8217;t want to work with my Plantronics USB headset in Steam.</p>
<p>Even programs like Auran Trainz that used to be a real bitch to get working in Wine are just as easy to get working as Windows (possibly easier if you have two games that normally conflict, since you can just install both in their own wineprefix and they&#8217;ll never even know the other exists).</p>
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