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		<title>By: MJR's slef-reflections: More driving and cycling</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJR's slef-reflections: More driving and cycling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the protests and Chrisitan Perrier&#039;s enthusiasm for bike-pools. I don&#039;t agree with many of Russel Coker&#039;s views on oil prices but they are interesting reading, even so.  I&#039;m taking part in JamBustingJune for the West of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the protests and Chrisitan Perrier&#8217;s enthusiasm for bike-pools. I don&#8217;t agree with many of Russel Coker&#8217;s views on oil prices but they are interesting reading, even so.  I&#8217;m taking part in JamBustingJune for the West of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Trybus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcin Trybus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Adrian: It&#039;s not a geography forum. The fact is Norway is one of the smallest oil producing countries. Anyway that&#039;s not what I was talking about in the first place. One way or the other Norway and UK may be the lone examples of proper energy conservation among top 20 oil *producing* countries. [1] That&#039;s what I was trying to say before and thant you for pointing it out.
The fuel prices in Norway are as high as they are because of the three factors I named. Taxes are the most important factor of fuel price in Europe, but it has nothing to do with conservation at all. Norway is the most expensive country to live in anyway.
Oil transportation costs are very low compared to other goods. Poland doesn&#039;t buy Norwegian oil (not in major amounts anyway), because its cost is much higher then imported from Russian Siberia or Kazakhstan. True, long term contracts play a role here as well.
[1] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Adrian: It&#8217;s not a geography forum. The fact is Norway is one of the smallest oil producing countries. Anyway that&#8217;s not what I was talking about in the first place. One way or the other Norway and UK may be the lone examples of proper energy conservation among top 20 oil *producing* countries. [1] That&#8217;s what I was trying to say before and thant you for pointing it out. </p>
<p>The fuel prices in Norway are as high as they are because of the three factors I named. Taxes are the most important factor of fuel price in Europe, but it has nothing to do with conservation at all. Norway is the most expensive country to live in anyway. </p>
<p>Oil transportation costs are very low compared to other goods. Poland doesn&#8217;t buy Norwegian oil (not in major amounts anyway), because its cost is much higher then imported from Russian Siberia or Kazakhstan. True, long term contracts play a role here as well. </p>
<p>[1] <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Perpetual Motion &#124; etbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perpetual Motion &#124; etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Adrian Bunk</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/06/09/record-oil-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-14351</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Bunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcin:
Sorry, but some of the things you said do not seem to be true:
The US Energy Information Administration lists Azerbaijan separately, but only on place 18 in the world: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/country_energy_data.cfm?fips=AJ What is the source for your information?
Mexico City does not have 10 times more people as Norway - depending on whether you take the actual city or the Metropolitan area Mexico city is only twice resp. four times as big.
And regarding fuel prices in Norway: Norway has more or less the highest fuel prices in Europe. No matter how expensive their oil production is, that wouldn&#039;t justify why fuel made from Norwegian oil is more in expensive in Norway than in other European countries (where you&#039;d even have to add transport costs to the prices). Taxation is actually the reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcin:</p>
<p>Sorry, but some of the things you said do not seem to be true:</p>
<p>The US Energy Information Administration lists Azerbaijan separately, but only on place 18 in the world: <a href="http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/country_energy_data.cfm?fips=AJ" rel="nofollow">http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/country_energy_data.cfm?fips=AJ</a> What is the source for your information?</p>
<p>Mexico City does not have 10 times more people as Norway &#8211; depending on whether you take the actual city or the Metropolitan area Mexico city is only twice resp. four times as big.</p>
<p>And regarding fuel prices in Norway: Norway has more or less the highest fuel prices in Europe. No matter how expensive their oil production is, that wouldn&#8217;t justify why fuel made from Norwegian oil is more in expensive in Norway than in other European countries (where you&#8217;d even have to add transport costs to the prices). Taxation is actually the reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Trybus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcin Trybus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Norway actually is 3rd in exports. Ref. CIA World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2176rank.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Norway actually is 3rd in exports. Ref. CIA World Factbook: <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2176rank.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2176rank.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Trybus</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/06/09/record-oil-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-14349</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin Trybus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adrian: Norway is a good example of fossil fuel conservation, but you missed my point.
I said: &quot;Energy conservation in *oil-producing* countries is non-existent.&quot;
You said: The country with the third-most *oil exports* in the world is Norway (...)&quot;
Fourth actually, as Azerbaijan is third (taken in bulk with Russia in some places as 2nd). Arabic countries, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, even the USA each *produce* way much more oil then Norway. They are not exporting that much for two reasons. Firstly, because they are not energy efficient due to low price of domestic oil (not true only in USA, but they have low tax on fuel). Second, in Mexico City alone there lives 10 times more people then in Norway. That&#039;s why Norway is on top of the export list.
The price of petrol in Norway is as it is for a few reasons:
 * ecology of production, distribution and processing of oil is a major factor, unlike in other oil producing countries (apart from the US maybe);
 * the price of petrol is based on real market value of Norwegian oil (which is very high due to high work costs);
 * taxes on fossil fuels in Norway is among the highest in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian: Norway is a good example of fossil fuel conservation, but you missed my point. </p>
<p>I said: &#8220;Energy conservation in *oil-producing* countries is non-existent.&#8221;</p>
<p>You said: The country with the third-most *oil exports* in the world is Norway (&#8230;)&#8221;</p>
<p>Fourth actually, as Azerbaijan is third (taken in bulk with Russia in some places as 2nd). Arabic countries, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, even the USA each *produce* way much more oil then Norway. They are not exporting that much for two reasons. Firstly, because they are not energy efficient due to low price of domestic oil (not true only in USA, but they have low tax on fuel). Second, in Mexico City alone there lives 10 times more people then in Norway. That&#8217;s why Norway is on top of the export list. </p>
<p>The price of petrol in Norway is as it is for a few reasons:<br />
 * ecology of production, distribution and processing of oil is a major factor, unlike in other oil producing countries (apart from the US maybe);<br />
 * the price of petrol is based on real market value of Norwegian oil (which is very high due to high work costs);<br />
 * taxes on fossil fuels in Norway is among the highest in the world.</p>
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