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	<title>Comments on: AISA</title>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/12/15/aisa/comment-page-1/#comment-11480</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rdb: According to what is written, I guess so.  I believe that the typical use of a VCR is legal and most use of iPods etc is too - but in all those cases I believe that making reasonable actions legal came long after most people had the devices.

The IEEE code seems reasonable on a quick scan.  I&#039;ll have to think about this issue some more though.  It&#039;s much easier to point out problems than to design something that works well.

Also it&#039;s just occurred to me to wonder whether someone who smokes dope on the weekends in Australia is any worse than someone who does so in the Netherlands.  Probably the strongest case for saying that there is a difference is that doing so in Australia could result in unexpected absence from work due to being arrested - in which case hobbies such as parachuting would be a bad thing due to unexpected absence due to being in hospital.  :-#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rdb: According to what is written, I guess so.  I believe that the typical use of a VCR is legal and most use of iPods etc is too &#8211; but in all those cases I believe that making reasonable actions legal came long after most people had the devices.</p>
<p>The IEEE code seems reasonable on a quick scan.  I&#8217;ll have to think about this issue some more though.  It&#8217;s much easier to point out problems than to design something that works well.</p>
<p>Also it&#8217;s just occurred to me to wonder whether someone who smokes dope on the weekends in Australia is any worse than someone who does so in the Netherlands.  Probably the strongest case for saying that there is a difference is that doing so in Australia could result in unexpected absence from work due to being arrested &#8211; in which case hobbies such as parachuting would be a bad thing due to unexpected absence due to being in hospital.  :-#</p>
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		<title>By: rdb</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/12/15/aisa/comment-page-1/#comment-11473</link>
		<dc:creator>rdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ieee.org/portal/pages/iportals/aboutus/ethics/code.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IEEE Code of Ethics&lt;/a&gt; doesn&#039;t talk about legality. 
Without fair use under AU law, does being an AISA member imply no VCR, PVR, iPod, ...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.ieee.org/portal/pages/iportals/aboutus/ethics/code.html" rel="nofollow">IEEE Code of Ethics</a> doesn&#8217;t talk about legality.<br />
Without fair use under AU law, does being an AISA member imply no VCR, PVR, iPod, &#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/12/15/aisa/comment-page-1/#comment-11455</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon: The possibility you suggest sounds reasonable.  If it went a little further and specifically only applied to laws related to the industry in question then I wouldn&#039;t have a problem with it.

Note that the AISA code of ethics has confidentiality listed after obeying laws.  So if the law required me to provide the government with a list of Jews/Muslims/Homosexuals or whoever the target of the day is then the AISA code seems to suggest strongly that I should comply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon: The possibility you suggest sounds reasonable.  If it went a little further and specifically only applied to laws related to the industry in question then I wouldn&#8217;t have a problem with it.</p>
<p>Note that the AISA code of ethics has confidentiality listed after obeying laws.  So if the law required me to provide the government with a list of Jews/Muslims/Homosexuals or whoever the target of the day is then the AISA code seems to suggest strongly that I should comply.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t have one readily available to cite, I have seen a few codes of ethics which explicitly state something to the effect of &quot;Comply with all applicable laws, to the extent they do not conflict with these standards of ethical behavior.&quot;  (Some extend this to other standards of ethical behavior as well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t have one readily available to cite, I have seen a few codes of ethics which explicitly state something to the effect of &#8220;Comply with all applicable laws, to the extent they do not conflict with these standards of ethical behavior.&#8221;  (Some extend this to other standards of ethical behavior as well.)</p>
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