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	<title>Comments on: Safe Banking by SMS?</title>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/11/17/safe-banking-by-sms/comment-page-1/#comment-17938</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: Do you have a URL with information about this?  A quick google search doesn&#039;t find any pages which mention this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: Do you have a URL with information about this?  A quick google search doesn&#8217;t find any pages which mention this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/11/17/safe-banking-by-sms/comment-page-1/#comment-17835</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a follow up, yesterday a customer with the Commonwealth Bank in Australia had $90,000 removed from their account - by a hacker that somehow intercepted the SMS call and transfered funds, without the knowledge of the customer. 

Clearly SMS messaging as a form of verification is a step above entering an AccountID and Password, but these days it is still an open door for smart hackers. Check out the various software available online that can hack into mobile phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a follow up, yesterday a customer with the Commonwealth Bank in Australia had $90,000 removed from their account &#8211; by a hacker that somehow intercepted the SMS call and transfered funds, without the knowledge of the customer. </p>
<p>Clearly SMS messaging as a form of verification is a step above entering an AccountID and Password, but these days it is still an open door for smart hackers. Check out the various software available online that can hack into mobile phones.</p>
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		<title>By: krzysiek</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/11/17/safe-banking-by-sms/comment-page-1/#comment-10650</link>
		<dc:creator>krzysiek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SMS includes a short description of transaction (accounts numbers and amount of money to transfer)
Of course account is secured also by main password (not sent by SMS)
And its free in mBank.

Sample SMS and more info here:
http://www.mbank.com.pl/eng/safety/sms_codes.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SMS includes a short description of transaction (accounts numbers and amount of money to transfer)<br />
Of course account is secured also by main password (not sent by SMS)<br />
And its free in mBank.</p>
<p>Sample SMS and more info here:<br />
<a href="http://www.mbank.com.pl/eng/safety/sms_codes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mbank.com.pl/eng/safety/sms_codes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brugge</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/11/17/safe-banking-by-sms/comment-page-1/#comment-10645</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brugge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my bank in The Netherlands, SMS has been used for some years already. It avoids (most of) the problems you mention. The message contains an ID for the transaction, the amount to be transferred and the six digit code. A man-in-the-middle attack is difficult, because you&#039;d need to be both in the middle of the internet connection and the GSM connection. Tampering with the amount is impossible because it is included in the message. Inserting a fraudulent transaction is impossible because transactions have an ID, which is both in the message and on the screen.

The only possible problem is if someone has both your phone and your passwords - but that doesn&#039;t differ from the situation without SMS.

My bank doesn&#039;t charge for the SMSs, so that&#039;s no problem. When you&#039;re on vacation (or some other place where you expect not to be able to use your phone), you can get a short list of pregenerated codes, so you can do transactions without your phone for a while. All in all, it works pretty well for me. It might be even safer if the generated code is a function of the receiving bank account and maybe some other parameters - they might even be doing that, but using some other mechanism for the pregenerated codes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my bank in The Netherlands, SMS has been used for some years already. It avoids (most of) the problems you mention. The message contains an ID for the transaction, the amount to be transferred and the six digit code. A man-in-the-middle attack is difficult, because you&#8217;d need to be both in the middle of the internet connection and the GSM connection. Tampering with the amount is impossible because it is included in the message. Inserting a fraudulent transaction is impossible because transactions have an ID, which is both in the message and on the screen.</p>
<p>The only possible problem is if someone has both your phone and your passwords &#8211; but that doesn&#8217;t differ from the situation without SMS.</p>
<p>My bank doesn&#8217;t charge for the SMSs, so that&#8217;s no problem. When you&#8217;re on vacation (or some other place where you expect not to be able to use your phone), you can get a short list of pregenerated codes, so you can do transactions without your phone for a while. All in all, it works pretty well for me. It might be even safer if the generated code is a function of the receiving bank account and maybe some other parameters &#8211; they might even be doing that, but using some other mechanism for the pregenerated codes.</p>
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