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	<title>Comments on: Swap Space</title>
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		<title>By: dmind blog &#187; ¿Cuál es el tamaño adecuado para la partición Swap?</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-14741</link>
		<dc:creator>dmind blog &#187; ¿Cuál es el tamaño adecuado para la partición Swap?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Desen Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ¿Cuánta swap reservar para Linux?</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-12479</link>
		<dc:creator>Desen Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ¿Cuánta swap reservar para Linux?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me encuentro vía Barrapunto con un artículo la mar de interesante sobre las necesidades reales de swap en los sistemas Linux actuales - y futuros - en el que el [...]</description>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-12409</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google translation of wintch:
Personally I 2gb of ram and 4gb swap? Because the author of the note uses his LinuX to surf the Internet at most (not angry) poniéndole tested in a DOOM3 ULTRA + CS and fotoshop wine with some big file. Everything depends to use the system! But for general use which gives the machines in offices with LinuX I agree that over 2gb swap is to fart, besides having a 250-disc 500gb save space for swap?! Greetings!

I agree that there are specific cases where unusual amounts of swap are required.  What I really object to is the use of formulas without understanding them or considering the implications.  Myth based computing is a bad thing.

I second the "fart on excess swap use" sentiment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google translation of wintch:<br />
Personally I 2gb of ram and 4gb swap? Because the author of the note uses his LinuX to surf the Internet at most (not angry) poniéndole tested in a DOOM3 ULTRA + CS and fotoshop wine with some big file. Everything depends to use the system! But for general use which gives the machines in offices with LinuX I agree that over 2gb swap is to fart, besides having a 250-disc 500gb save space for swap?! Greetings!</p>
<p>I agree that there are specific cases where unusual amounts of swap are required.  What I really object to is the use of formulas without understanding them or considering the implications.  Myth based computing is a bad thing.</p>
<p>I second the &#8220;fart on excess swap use&#8221; sentiment!</p>
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		<title>By: wintch</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-12407</link>
		<dc:creator>wintch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personalmente tengo 2gb de ram y 4gb de swap porque? Porque el autor de la nota usa su LinuX para navegar por internet a lo sumo (no se enojen) prueben poniendole un DOOM3 en ULTRA + wine con fotoshop CS y algun archivo grande. Todo depende para que usaran el sistema! Pero para el uso general que se le da a las maquinas con LinuX en oficinas estoy de acuerdo en que mas de 2gb de swap es al pedo, aparte teniendo un disco de 250-500gb ahorrar espacio para swap?! Saludos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personalmente tengo 2gb de ram y 4gb de swap porque? Porque el autor de la nota usa su LinuX para navegar por internet a lo sumo (no se enojen) prueben poniendole un DOOM3 en ULTRA + wine con fotoshop CS y algun archivo grande. Todo depende para que usaran el sistema! Pero para el uso general que se le da a las maquinas con LinuX en oficinas estoy de acuerdo en que mas de 2gb de swap es al pedo, aparte teniendo un disco de 250-500gb ahorrar espacio para swap?! Saludos!</p>
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		<title>By: Swap &#171; Guadalinex</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-12364</link>
		<dc:creator>Swap &#171; Guadalinex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Artículo Original: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ¿Cuál es el tamaño ideal para la swap en Linux? &#171; Gnu-Linux en Barinas</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-10934</link>
		<dc:creator>¿Cuál es el tamaño ideal para la swap en Linux? &#171; Gnu-Linux en Barinas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de intercambio (o swap) de Linux es que su tamaño óptimo es dos veces el tamaño de la RAM. Russell Coker explica detalladamente en su weblog que esto no es así, que en la actualidad lo más aconsejable es usar un tamaño de swap igual al de la RAM para [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ¿Cuál es el tamaño ideal para la swap en Linux? &#171; El blog de Tuxams297</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-10788</link>
		<dc:creator>¿Cuál es el tamaño ideal para la swap en Linux? &#171; El blog de Tuxams297</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de intercambio (o swap) de Linux es que su tamaño óptimo es dos veces el tamaño de la RAM. Russell Coker explica detalladamente en su weblog que esto no es así, que en la actualidad lo más aconsejable es usar un tamaño de swap igual al de la RAM para [...]</description>
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		<title>By: etbe</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-10467</link>
		<dc:creator>etbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter: For most serious storage nowadays seek time is the most important factor in overall performance.  Disks that can sustain 80MB/s are common, even the smallest hardware RAID devices can saturate a 4Gb/s (400MB/s) FC link and RAID arrays with multiple FC links are not uncommon.

You are correct to note that stuff which is unused is not a factor, but there is currently no support for having the amount of IO for swap be a factor in the OOM killer.

As for inactive programs in other workspaces, it's a bit of a bummer when you switch sessions and suddenly your machine starts swapping without end.

If you have only a single memory hungry process then the correct amount of swap is determined entirely by that program.

The fact is that the 2*RAM advice is based on ancient versions of Unix and has never applied to Linux.  I don't believe that there is any cause to "tone down" any claims, merely to note exceptions to the general rule.

The fact that the right amount of swap for a system could be anything from nothing to 10X RAM is entirely irrelevant when considering the validity of the "use 2*RAM" advice which is bandied about by people who don't understand the issues involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter: For most serious storage nowadays seek time is the most important factor in overall performance.  Disks that can sustain 80MB/s are common, even the smallest hardware RAID devices can saturate a 4Gb/s (400MB/s) FC link and RAID arrays with multiple FC links are not uncommon.</p>
<p>You are correct to note that stuff which is unused is not a factor, but there is currently no support for having the amount of IO for swap be a factor in the OOM killer.</p>
<p>As for inactive programs in other workspaces, it&#8217;s a bit of a bummer when you switch sessions and suddenly your machine starts swapping without end.</p>
<p>If you have only a single memory hungry process then the correct amount of swap is determined entirely by that program.</p>
<p>The fact is that the 2*RAM advice is based on ancient versions of Unix and has never applied to Linux.  I don&#8217;t believe that there is any cause to &#8220;tone down&#8221; any claims, merely to note exceptions to the general rule.</p>
<p>The fact that the right amount of swap for a system could be anything from nothing to 10X RAM is entirely irrelevant when considering the validity of the &#8220;use 2*RAM&#8221; advice which is bandied about by people who don&#8217;t understand the issues involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Moulder</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-10451</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Moulder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell: The argument about seek times is not particularly compelling; I'd have thought that that plays a fairly minor role in the question of how much swap space to allocate.  For handhelds, the issues to consider are very different; let's ignore them for the moment.  For desktop machines with plentiful hard disk space, the question is at what point it's best to let the oom killer kill processes.  This in turn is a matter of how much thrashing is happening rather than how much stuff is lying unused on swap space.

Obviously multi-user computers can afford to have lots of stuff in swap space without hurting performance, because some of those users (and their processes) may be inactive.

Similar comments apply even to single-user computers when running a graphical environment (X) where it's easy to have many inactive programs in other workspaces.

For many systems, the question is moot, in that they never run out of memory even with little or no swap allocated.

My usage of memory-hogging programs is very different from most people's, but, FWIW, I find that even if I have a single process whose virtual memory size is 2-3 times RAM size, then the system can still be responsive; it just depends on the memory access patterns of that program.  Thus, I find that 2x is still about the right ratio for me for how big swap space should be compared to RAM, and in particular I've found that 1.5x is too small.  Of course, other people's needs may vary.  All the same, I really suggest toning down the claims of the initial post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell: The argument about seek times is not particularly compelling; I&#8217;d have thought that that plays a fairly minor role in the question of how much swap space to allocate.  For handhelds, the issues to consider are very different; let&#8217;s ignore them for the moment.  For desktop machines with plentiful hard disk space, the question is at what point it&#8217;s best to let the oom killer kill processes.  This in turn is a matter of how much thrashing is happening rather than how much stuff is lying unused on swap space.</p>
<p>Obviously multi-user computers can afford to have lots of stuff in swap space without hurting performance, because some of those users (and their processes) may be inactive.</p>
<p>Similar comments apply even to single-user computers when running a graphical environment (X) where it&#8217;s easy to have many inactive programs in other workspaces.</p>
<p>For many systems, the question is moot, in that they never run out of memory even with little or no swap allocated.</p>
<p>My usage of memory-hogging programs is very different from most people&#8217;s, but, FWIW, I find that even if I have a single process whose virtual memory size is 2-3 times RAM size, then the system can still be responsive; it just depends on the memory access patterns of that program.  Thus, I find that 2x is still about the right ratio for me for how big swap space should be compared to RAM, and in particular I&#8217;ve found that 1.5x is too small.  Of course, other people&#8217;s needs may vary.  All the same, I really suggest toning down the claims of the initial post.</p>
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		<title>By: EnriqueDominguez &#187; Partición swap en Linux</title>
		<link>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/09/28/swap-space/#comment-8156</link>
		<dc:creator>EnriqueDominguez &#187; Partición swap en Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vi hace unos dias en Barrapunto, que a su vez está tomado del blog de Russel Coker. Por lo visto la idea esta fundamentada en el funcionamiento de antiguos sistemas [...]</description>
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